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Jessica CGC
Will work for- food |
 | | Barked: Wed Nov 4, '09 9:39pm PST | |  | |  | | I know you weren't asking me but I was just about to go to sleep and checked dogster, anyway you can give pepcid ac if it's gas, it's safe for dogs. If she's pooping ok and has an appetite, I'd feed because I wouldn't be sure if it was gas or not. But with Chloe and the blood sugar thing, I think it's safer to feed anyway. Hope all goes well tomorrow at the vet. |  |  | |  |
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Chloe
Clearance Puppy - The best of them- all. |
 | | Barked: Wed Nov 4, '09 9:53pm PST | | | | | | Thanks Jess , I might go pick some of that stuff up =] I just gave her some ground beef, I hope that cause it was partially frozen and I hand fed her, She wouldn't be gulping/taking in too much air.
I'm starting to the the blood sugar might be diabetes, I'm going to ask the vet about it tomorrow, and see if he can do a full blood panal.
Should I not feed her till after the blood panels? so should I feed her in the AM? I remember someone telling me about food changing the blood results? is that true? | | | | |
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Jessica CGC
Will work for- food |
| | Barked: Wed Nov 4, '09 9:57pm PST | | | | | | It's weird because when my dogs have eaten before a blood test, the vet said the kidney enzymes were elevated and redid it and they weren't. But then a couple dogsters said no. So I don't know. But maybe call the office in the AM and ask? With diabetes though, they get high blood sugar. Chloe gets drops in blood sugar? | | | | |
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Chloe
Clearance Puppy - The best of them- all. |
| | Barked: Wed Nov 4, '09 10:00pm PST | | | | | | I think she get's drops, It just sounds like Hypoglycemia, from what I read she hasn't actually been diagnosed with it 
But someone was telling me that the shakes and weakness could be Diabeties.. So i'll have to check into that. It's just so difficult.
I hope it's neither and she's just excited or something cause I'd feed terrible if it was something serious that i've put off cause it only happens 'sometimes'
Also it only really happens when I don't feed her daily, That's another reason I think it's LBS | | | | |
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Jessica CGC
Will work for- food |
| | Barked: Wed Nov 4, '09 10:05pm PST | | | | | |  the vet will be able to answer most of your concerns. Right now I hope you can not worry too much about different diagnoses, i know it's difficult trying to figure out what is wrong or might be wrong.
I'm hoping for the best little Chloe! | | | | |
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Byron
Bridge Angel - always loved
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| | Barked: Thu Nov 5, '09 10:08am PST | | | | | | I read the symptoms of bloat it it creeped me out, She has almose all of them but drooling...and being dead
It's uncommon to have ALL the symptoms of a given disease, so lack of drooling wouldn't rule out bloat. Fortunately, death is a much more important marker, so if she doesn't have that then she doesn't have bloat. 
You can give probiotics for gas, specifically one that contains bifidobacterium bifidum. A little charcoal can help bind toxins and settle things too. Not the charcoal for your grill, of course, but stuff you pick up at a vitamin store.
I have no experience with canine diabetes, only with human. That said, protein breaks down into blood glucose relatively slowly - 6-8 hours in a human. So I wouldn't feed her more than an hour before the vet appointment. No carbs at all in the AM, like kibble or treats.
Gas could be likely, but a hard belly for this long?  When you palpate, can you smush the hard part at all (like you'd be able to if it were filled with air)?
Is the hard part down by the bladder/colon or up by the ribcage?
ETA (forgot my main reason for posting!): My approach with doctors and vets is not to ask for specific tests at all. I give as detailed an explanation of symptoms as I possibly can, and see what they offer up. Just an example, Byron "obviously" had increasing arthritis in his hips and lower back. if I had asked my vet to treat for my diagnosis, he might have been influenced by that and gone down a wrong path. Turned out Byron has spinal spurs. Vets are human too and subject to influence, especially if the human client seems knowledgeable. (OK, so the treatment for both arthritis and spurs is pain control. But you get my point.)
I would mention the different ideas you've gotten on the forum, though.Edited by author Thu Nov 5, '09 10:14am PST
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Chloe
Clearance Puppy - The best of them- all. |
| | Barked: Thu Nov 5, '09 10:39am PST | | | | | | Hey Byron! I'm going to stop at a health food store at lunch so i'll see if I can pick up some charcoal, But how would I feed it to such a small pup, I was reading about it and it says it has to be taken with water, Should I just get a small bowl and put it with the water?
When I press her belly it just feels hard (I never tried pressing too hard, just in case) From what I rememebr it's hard from her ribcage to her lower abdomon. But I may be mistaken. I will try finding some good yogurt for her to snack on (and me too  ) | | | | |
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Byron
Bridge Angel - always loved
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| | Barked: Thu Nov 5, '09 10:52am PST | | | | | | Yogurt's good stuff, but the probiotics in commercial yogurts are actually pretty weak. I think it's mostly acidopholus, too, which is good but isn't as effective on gas as the bifidum. I'm not suggesting you avoid it - I feed it too if Byron doesn't think it's poison at the moment. He's picky about brands - doesn't like Dannon. 
When feeding supplements, I figure the recommended amount is for a 150-lb human and adjust accordingly. If they give a child dosage, I use that. For a little guy, you might feed half a child's dose or 1/4-1/5 of an adult's. The worse side effect of charcoal is possible constipation. It should be relatively easy to dose - I think (it's been awhile) they normally recommend like 4 capsules for an adult.
Not sure about the water since Byron has always drunk a ton. If Chloe's not a big drinker, maybe give the charcoal with yogurt or any other liquid treat. I'm a fan of goat milk for Byron and always have some around, so if he's eating at all he gets his supplements in the goat milk. | | | | |
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Byron
Small dogs can- have BIG jobs! |
| | Barked: Thu Nov 5, '09 11:30am PST | | | | | | I'd give her some pepcid or pepto (IMPORTANT: call your vet for the dosage for your size) or some probiotics. That said, she still needs a vet appointment. I would refrain from pressing hard on her tummy. If it is gas, there won't be a problem. If it is something else, if you go pressing and mashing on her tummy, you can cause damage. One good thing you can do is to listen for bowel sounds. Lay your ear against her tummy and listen for stomach gurgles. If you hear a lot of high pitched gurgles, that can indicate gas. No sounds (over several minutes) or sounds that sound like her tummy is saying the word "borborigmia," (it sounds just like it is written) indicate obstruction.
I personally would stay away from nosode vaccines... especially for rabies. I am all for holistic health. Byron is on a Chinese herbal medicine for an ongoing health condition and was previously on other holistic meds. I like to reduce his exposure to chemicals, so much so that I no longer use regular cleaning products in my home. I use vineagar and other things. I also perform osteopathic adjustments on him. After puppy vacinations, I titer. I pretty much only vaccinate for rabies now (every three years, given with injectable benedryl for reduced vaccination reaction). I feed raw. All that being said, I would never risk his life with poorly a researched vaccine or heart worm preventative. It's just not worth it to me.
As for nosode rabies vaccine, you do realize that your dog would be considered unvaccinated by your state? So if there was ever a bite, depending on your state, they would treat that dog like it is at risk of carrying rabies. In some places, this means that the dog would be quarrantined. In a few states, this means that the dog would be euthanized. Once again, it's just not worth the risk to me. Maybe if my dog could absolutely not have regular vaccines... maybe. But I'd, quite frankly, be more apt to go without vaccination than give an unresearched product to my dog formed "from a disease," which likely has little to no true chemical quality control. | | | | |
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Chloe
Clearance Puppy - The best of them- all. |
| | Barked: Thu Nov 5, '09 11:53am PST | | | | | | So I went to the Health store, and found out that you can't buy charcoal anymore because of how well it does it's job! Drug users and Alcoholics would take it before a urinary test or bloody work cause it would make everyone pass. LAME. But the woman said Some stores might have it, but it's a HUGE might. So i'll look for it.
I didn't get yogurt, I got a probiotic suppliment, made for childern.
Because it's made for childern it's a powder, so im hoping it wont desinergate in the stomach...It had 3 billion active cells
Those cells include
Lactobacillus rhamnosus..............25% 0.75 billion
Bifidobacterium bifidum ..............20% 0.60 billion
Bifidobacterium breve .................20% 0.60 billion
Bifidobacterium infantis ..............10% 0.30 billion
Lactobacillus acidophilus.............10% 0.30 billion
Lactococcus lactis .......................10% 0.30 billion
Lactobacillus fermentum ...............5% 0.15 billion
does that sound good? | | | | |
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