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This forum is for dog lovers seeking everyday advice and suggestions on health-related issues. Remember, however, that advice on a public forum simply can't be a substitute for proper medical attention. Only your vet can say assuredly what is best for your dog. Don't furget to check out Dogster's Dog Care Guide Book for information about caring for the health of your dog!
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Pasha
Pasha - let's PLAY! |
 | | Barked: Sat Nov 7, '09 8:46am PST | |  | |  | | You are not the only one who really cares about your pet and the dangerous toxins, when there are safer & cheaper methods that work.
Yes there are alternatives to either buy or make your own.
You can buy Seargents or Sentry Natural Defense Flea Tick Repeller made with Peppermint Oil, Cinnamon Oil, Lemon Grass Oil, Clove Oil, Thyme Oil, etc.
It comes in monthly squeeze on for about $8 a three month supply for Large dogs, less for small dogs. They also have it in spray or powder.
Smells great like spicy pumpkin pie, smell dissipates in about a day.
You can get a $1 off coupon at the Seargents or Sentry Natural Defense website.
Or you can go to Holistic Veterinarian that can sell or make you the natural safer flea/tick repeller, or find many recipes to make your own repellers or naturally safe flea/tick collars at http://www.DogSTARspace.com on the Forums under Health & Tips.
Avoid Frontline Plus, it is a neuro type toxin, very dangerous to pets, so is Advantage, Advantix, Comfortis, etc.
Avoid the pesticides like premethins,etc.
These toxins cause illness, disease, cancer, etc. I know many think whats the big deal, and maybe they can afford the expensive vet bills, I know the vets love those big bills you pay them, but what about the heartbreak, and the pain caused by the illnesses caused by so many toxins, that pets don't even need.
There are healthier alternatives for cleaning your house, like vinegar is a anti bacterial cleaner, used for cleaning bathrooms, toilets, kitchens, etc, long before toxic profitable chemical cleaners came along. Vinegar is affordable, and safe to use around pets and children.
There are healthier alternatives to kill fleas/ticks in your yard, weeds in your yard, etc. All on http://www.DogSTARspace.com Forums.
As I can't seem to find the helpful info here at dogster, so I don't make it over here very often anymore.
We learned the hard way about toxins, she had cancer at 4 years old. The vet said no more toxic frontline plus, etc. Fortunately we had a good vet to guide us to healthier alternatives. Most vets will not help you as they are more interested in their pocketbook. I understand we all need to make a living, but we have to find a way to what is healthier to our pets health, as pets are living emotional beings just like the human animal. If treating your computer or tv, who cares, but our pets are special beings.
So happy to find another pet lover who is interested in a healthier life for their pet. |  |  | |  |
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Jessica CGC
Will work for- food |
 | | Barked: Sat Nov 7, '09 9:08am PST | | | | | | Hi Pasha, thanks for your reply! I will have to sign up to dog star space to access the forums and read the tips. I mainly clean with either "natural" product, white vinegar and water mix, or apple cider vinegar when I clean the dogs kongs, food dishes, and stuff to do with food.
I have to admit, almost 1 month ago I gave in and applied the vectra-3D and for this month I have had such relief about ticks and lyme disease. I was so worried ever since April when I stopped the flea and tick prevention and used garlic pills. And for this last month it was nice to not worry, although there's a price to pay. I feel less worry about the chemical flea/tick prevention though, than I did about ticks and lyme.
But I know these chemicals are pesticides and despite the evidence they can't be completley unharmful to pets. I don't know if they can cause a risk for cancer or not. Links to humans and cancer from toxic products and pesticides are well documented though, and none of those humans ingested the chemicals. But maybe individual immune systems (dogs and people) play a big role in if chemicals hurt us or not too.
So, yes I definately would rather use something that wasn't a persticide or chemical. At this time, it just doesn't seem like anything else works though that I know of. | | | | |
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Harper
Lets Play! |
| | Barked: Sat Nov 7, '09 2:47pm PST | | | | | | If I am honest I worry about it to, but I still use it. I still use it for the same reason that I wear deet when I go for a walk. We live in an area with lots of ticks, and high lymes disease reporting, and having seen the effects of lymes on both dogs and people, so it is far more real to me than the mostly intangible long term side effects of using the chemicals.
If it was just fleas, I would probably try some of the alternatives that I have heard mentioned, but I won't fool around with the tick borne illnesses. | | | | |
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Jessica CGC
Will work for- food |
| | Barked: Sat Nov 7, '09 3:43pm PST | | | | | | Same here, Harper. I'm just going to give half the dose though. That's all I gave last month, and it stopped them just the same. The dose is for 26-50 lbs. I mean really, do they need such a big gap?? The companies ought to get the weights more accurate... | | | | |
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Jessica CGC
Will work for- food |
| | Barked: Sun Nov 8, '09 6:13am PST | | | | | | reason number 20 to use a tick preventative:
Waking up next to your dog, scratching her tummy, then getting up out of bed and letting dogs outside. Going back to make bed, pulling the sheet back and finding a fully engorged huge tick just sitting there plumply.
Oh I was so grossed out..it was on the side of the bed Jessie was laying on (jessie burrows under the blankets) I can't believe I hadn't been able to find it on her.
It was grey color. No idea what kind of tick it was. But to date it was the grossest experience I've had with a tick. | | | | |
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Mikey
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| | Barked: Sun Nov 8, '09 1:46pm PST | | | | | | Ok, finding a tick in your bed is seriously icky.
I too am worried about applying flea meds to my dog. I put it off until I think it's necessary and I also put it off because it's a huge struggle to get him to allow me to apply it. I think only 50%-75% of the tube gets on him.
I've read on this site of a handful of people whose dog got super sick from flea treatment. I never liked the idea of a pesticide on my dogs skin, but I still did it. That is until I started reading posts on here.
It did seem like a lot of the people whose dogs got sick were given K9 Advantix. I don't know if it's that much different from the others, but I won't use it. I use Frontline or Advantage and I'm sure many a dogs have gotten sick from those too.
I've been putting off giving Mikey a dose of Frontline for the past two months because of the struggle to get it on and some fear, but as of about an hour ago struggle or not, it's going to be applied.
I bent down to hug him and I see a bug crawling on his white fur. We had just come from the field where he runs around. I pick off the bug, start to squish it in my fingers and I decide to take a closer look at it and sure enough it's a teeny tiny tick.
I'm sure he's got more on him. How do you go about finding a tick on a dog with somewhat thick fur? Time for a flea comb I guess.
Frontline, here I come. | | | | |
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Jessica CGC
Will work for- food |
| | Barked: Sun Nov 8, '09 4:19pm PST | | | | | | Mikey yes it was definately ick!! It was so engorged, I couldn't pick it up with tweezers..I scooped it up in a tupperwear bol....
I think Advantix is the one that's toxic to cats? You can't even put it on your dog if there's a cat in your home I was told. It would make sense that dogs have more reactions too.
Maybe if you tried applying it in a different room or outside Mikey wouldn't "remember" to struggle so much?
This morning after our walk, I found 2 ticks, one under each of her ears.
We're in the same boat! | | | | |
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